Questions about DC's relaunch

[RoIIo Tomassi]

Well, as I said before, Snyder's Detective run was pretty damn good. And the James Jr stuff was well done in terms of the exchanges between him, Gordon, and Barbara. The whole thing played out over several issues, and Snyder wrote it like James Jr might be innocent and he's just a red herring. If you can find the TPBs cheap, I reccommend them. If they even bothered with TPBs of that stuff. The old continuity might be like dirty diapers to DC now. I don't know.

[anarky]

Just sayin', there are a lot of villains related to the protagonists of the Batman books....

If it hadn't been done to death already, a villainous rogue in Alfred's family tree might be pretty cool. Maybe they could have some ancestor show up in All-Star Western or something.

BTW, did they move Gotham? According to the Atlas of the DCU some years back, it was in New Jersey (which disappointed me; I figured Delaware... though, IIRC, it said Metropolis was in Delaware, whereas I'd thought Pennsylvania). Wikipedia says it's also portrayed as being in Connecticut in the Young Justice TV universe. How the fuck is that All-Star WESTERN?

[Diabolical]

Alfred's dad showed up during the Night of the Owls stuff in flashbacks. He wasn't a bad guy though; he was the Wayne's butler before Alfred and was there when Thomas Jr. was born/"died."

[anarky]

So, how long was Alfred supposed to be the butler? Is Thomas Jr older or younger than Bruce?

God, I feel dirty for asking that.

[Diabolical]

Bruce was a toddler when his lil bro "died" and Alfred's pop was the butler at the time of the accident.

[anarky]

Huh. I could've sworn (at least pre-DCnU) that, while Alfred's father had been the previous Wayne butler (while he went out and acted and fought in wars and stuff), Alfred had been their butler for Bruce's entire life.

[RoIIo Tomassi]

Pre-DCnU DC didn't have Bruce's long lost brother be his arch nemesis and pre-DCnU DC didn't, in general, suck giraffe balls either.

[anarky]

Wonder Woman and Superman.

Discuss.

Or rant.

[RoIIo Tomassi]

Sounds like Geoff Johns found his spiral notebook from grade school with all his fanboy wank stories in them, and now that he's Chief Creative Officer at DC he's making it happen!


Let's discuss Rob Liefeld having a Twitter meltdown and abruptly quitting all three of his DC books simultaneously.

One the one hand: yay!(assuming I gave a shit about the quality of DCs output anymore)
On the other: sounds like he's having the same problem George Perez and othes were having. He just went about disclosing it in an immature manner.

[anarky]

Wow. I leave for a few hours and come back to this.

While I'd like to make a crack about us never finding about the truth about Sheba, it looks like (for once) I've got to side with Liefeld. Yes, he was immature about it, but the volume of high-profile folks leaving DC is speaking volumes.

Who have they got left? Scott Snyder probably doesn't want to piss off someone who can cancel American Vampire. Keith Giffen is a workhorse. Scott Lobdell is shit and doesn't care. Jim Lee and Geoff Johns are responsible for the fiasco.

[RoIIo Tomassi]

They've still got quite a few writers. Remember they're pumping out 52 shitty books every month. Off the top of my head Gail Simone, Ann Nocenti, Judd Winnick, Mike Green, Brian Azzarello, Dan Jurgens. A bunch of the artists they let write books.

[anarky]

I meant good writers. Some of those folks are good, and they're also stalwart DC fellas (and gals). I wasn't counting the bad ones.

[RoIIo Tomassi]

I had a better handle on who was writing what last August, but they've played multiple musicsl chairs on books already. Superman has already had like four writers, right?

[anarky]

Pretty sad overall.

People can say it's a success all they want. They can point to the higher sales numbers. But those sales numbers are "higher" than what? Abysmally low numbers; their highest seller would've been axed in a heartbeat a decade or two ago.

These are characters who are so beloved that it should take only a minimal amount of competence to sell their stories.

[vynsane]

BTW, did they move Gotham? According to the Atlas of the DCU some years back, it was in New Jersey (which disappointed me; I figured Delaware... though, IIRC, it said Metropolis was in Delaware, whereas I'd thought Pennsylvania). Wikipedia says it's also portrayed as being in Connecticut in the Young Justice TV universe. How the fuck is that All-Star WESTERN?

silly anarky... "western" doesn't mean, like, western... like IN the west. it means like old. and dusty. and guns and trenchcoats. and hats. y'know. western...

also, FUCK DC's silly made-up cities. learn a map, DC!

honestly, though, i think it's funny that they're trying sooooo hard to pretend like both gotham and metropolis aren't both obvious analogs of NYC.